Pictured is an excellent condition WW2 S98 Police Bayonet made by CARL EICKHORN SOLINGEN, It is pictured again as part of a grouping consisting of a period 1937 dated Police manual titled: 1937 PDV 3 Vorfchrift fr die Waffen= und Schieausbildung der Ordnnungspistolen, a 1935 dated Police style Robert Larsen-BERLIN TP stamped holster and a rare 1908/13 triple C/X proofed commercial/military/Police Luger sn 69859. (communications training The word itself 'HIPO' is a shortening in German of HIlfs-POlizei (i.e. The first 1920s Weimar era police Luger holster of new manufacture to be recognized as such is not manufacture marked is a black dyed leather, full cover flap with a holster body attached, pear-shaped up-strap secured to the cover flap without a keeper via the leather slit and brass stud method. This allows the cleaning of the barrel and receiver chamber without any damage to the barrel muzzle face or damaging contact to the breechblock face. By Bade, 16 April , 2021 in Arms and other weapons. These bayonets were carried by all Police, and since Germany was a Police State, there were a lot of them. The IMKK, Inter-Alliierte Militaer-Kontroll-Kommission (Inter-Allied Sturgess collection, currently, as of this writing, being offered by a noted dealer for an equally extremely rare four-digit price. It is a matter of common courtesy to credit the past authors/collectors that for the last three decades have discussed the 29 DWM Lugers in the s, t and u suffix serial range. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. (motor transport seciont), Sonderwagenstaffel der Kraftfahrabteilung (armored vehicle squadron), Polizei-Reitschule (police equestrian school), Assigned to IV. links[7]='https://www.marnamilitaria.com'; back-side attached single, horizontal leather stock block strip and removing the center block. German military and police units, one can sometimes derive some RARE W.W.II GERMAN POLICE LUGER MAUSER HOLSTER - OTTO STUERTZ ALLENSTEIN. Nachr. Has been dyed black long ago. As Dwight's database shows, most of the blank toggle Lugers have "t" and "u" serial number suffixes. Still 1993, page 174, Figure 45a, the below pictured holster is an LOB example of the first style, first pattern, pre 1925 new manufacture Weimar era, unmarked police holster. The fourth is a very early 3-digit, circa 1930 production DWM/Mauser commercial/Police Luger serial number 873V. ERFURT LUGER 1920/1917 POLICE REWORK - C40363 9mm; 96% blue, 40% straw, very good bore, good grips, 4'' barrel, This is a Police reworked pistol. Still, page 174 Figure 28b describes and pictures a P.08 barrel installed ERMA muzzle protector in the text caption that states: This device fits over the muzzle of a Luger and reportedly protects the barrel rifling at the muzzle from the cleaning rod shaft. 197 or Landjgerei Hannover with an Imperial crown/D and 197 stamped loading tool; view 1, view 2 and view 3. Since this ammo is rare, it is considered to be collectible ammunition. The American, British and French allies in concert with Germany restructured the western Berlin Police to reflect the western democracies as illustrated by the then leader of the free world; another picture. Upcoming Auctions Auctions Near Me How Auctions Work | Help . In HIlfs-POlizei you found only Danes, enemies to their own countrymen. N.b.5. Einwohnerwehr in 1921. Yes it DWM marked but without a chamber date. the precincts held the long cleaning rods, similar to the navy P.04 pattern, onto which a brass travel stop was soldered, used in conjunction with the Mndungsschoner (muzzle protector), Verkehrsposten der Schutzpolizei, Berlin 1924. These bayonets also originally had a Prussian Eagle adorned clam shell device under the grip. There is no doubt as to what variation of Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector was used in conjunction with the new 1920s police cleaning rod with brass stopper with, at least, one Weimar era police station as evidenced in Weimar Lugers,1993 page 183, figure 47c by J. Pictured is a 1943 dated SCHAMBACH & Co. -BERLIN police holster with a unique eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police B inspection stamp; view 1, view 2 and view 3. . A rare DWM Model 1900 U.S. Army Test Eagle Luger in 7.65mm is up for grabs as well. It is a numbers matching pistol. These HZA markings, excluding the WaAJL16 stampings which, as Costanzo states was specifically used by police forces guarding warehouses operated by the Heerszeugment. The E/WaAJL16 is, by all accounts to date, similar to, or a variation of, the acceptance stamp for Factory Guard/Werkschutz issue. The serial number for the pistol is 4801 with a suffix of "t" which was mentioned as one of the possibilites by Ron. Pictured is a German manufactured commercial holster, original pistol model unknown, converted to accept a P.08 Luger pistol by modifying the holster body entrance. Still 1993 on page 174, Fig. A 1914 Gustav Reinhardt Berlin example 1 and a 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example 2. rear threaded section to be rotated clockwise until it is snug against the rear The most important feature of this manual is the inside cover statement and page 1 which translated represents the total Denazification of the German Police by the East German Soviet occupation force with the text or message containing some rather subdued implied warnings. The subject Police holster E/Mg10 stamping is recognized by collectors as authentic, based on three examples seen on WwMg/41 dated WW2 military issued P08 holsters. The conventional wisdom is that these were manufactured in 1929. What am I missing here? Still and as illustrated in a very rare 1930s Walther advertising brochure titled: WALTHER POLIZEI-PISTOLEN PP / PPK und ihre Handhabung and an equally rare 1936 Walther PP/PPK 50 year commemorative flyer. From the Dr. Geoffrey Sturgess collection. Interestingly, the cut-back artillery to purportedly, police conversions with toe plugs rarely have added twin belt loops. As a result, the young police officers are faced with new tasks, which prove to be all the more difficult since the new police not only ward off the risks of political and economic struggles, but above all are supposed to be brought back to their actual previous activities. We got our hands on one of the original MCXs for some testing. In Third Reich Lugers 1988 by J. Pictured is an unknown maker German Police The reassignment of 9754r to the Weimar navy explains the removal of the Sear Safety and the Magazine Safety. The first pictured example of a multiple conversion of an artillery to police holster conversion was done to a 1918 dated Dingeldey & Werres-Berlin artillery holster. Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 2023Guns.com. it is stamped on the rear with the original holstered police Luger serial number 5008. fortunately the holster still retains the matching 5008 serial number stamped loading tool. for WWII , Hitler ordered the production of Lugers. We know now that it was DWM who started the v block. This statement appears to be somewhat contradicted, where earlier on page 1262 Fig. Potsdam=Eiche, im Juni 1921. For more detailed information on the 1946 Dresden Police manual. There are many possible combinations of Wissen ist Macht, das gilt fr jeden, der im ffentlichen Leben steht und vorwrstsstrebt, besonders aber fr die Polizeibeamten, da ihn sein Beruf tglich und stundlich in engste Berhrung mit der Bevlterung bringt. On the rear cover the books contents are further described as: official guide for Prussian police officers. 3 days Left DWM 1914 MILITARY UNIT MARKED LUGER SEMI-AUTO. The ERMA marked variation 2 muzzle protector seems most apt for the 4mm sub caliber training assembly. 3. The 1928 Instruction for the Police of the State of Prussia, (V.f.d.P.) Polizei-Verwaltung Halle A/S.=Police Administration Halle A/S. Heinrich Krieghoff - Suhl, Germany At least six pre-production Lugers are known to exist. out and what appears to be a Nazi issue number 522 added to the scabbard metal throat and bayonet handle cross-bar. All Luger pistols, produced by DWM after 1922 and until 1928(?) Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated SCHAMBACH & Co. -BERLIN marked police holster with a Weimer era Sunburst K police inspection stamp; view 1. These were finished and delivered by Mauser as stock on hand in the early '30s. Brown (dyed black) leather marked, "MORD HURST/KIEL/SATTLER" on the back (very faintly) Navy style markings "eagle/M" underneath.. The German purpose about HIPO was clear: To help Gestapo as a Danish helping-police. - Kommando Wuertzburg, Kraftfahr-Sonderabteilung, The corner of the grip was removed to allow the safety to function. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Weight . German weapons and equipment until 1937, when unit marking of materiel was To see other police manual examples, such as full pagination and other details, click here. The other marking is an inspection stamp, consisting of a crown over a 'fraktur,' or letter. Weimar era Police cleaning rods are easily identified by their 7-ring wooden barrel type handles vs. the Imperial era artillery LP.08 and navy P.04 with their 6-ring wooden barrel type wooden handles.The use of these new style police cleaning rods, which coincidently are the last design and use of a wooden barrel handle cleaning rod for the P.08, is described by Sturgess in TBLAP, VIII, C19, pp 1331, 1332 as follows: Most were fitted with bell-shaped brass stops, soft soldered on their shafts, to give the correct length, 130 135mm approximately, for cleaning the barrel of the short P.08 when used with the Mndungsschoner (muzzle protector) which was then in police service. The lower attachment of the left belt loop has been crudely reinforced with wire, probably while in service. Bavarian State Police (Landespolizei), 1930. Police Lugers: German Police Lugers & their markings, 1918-1958 by Tinker. Buy GERMAN LUGER P08 POLICE MAGAZINE WITH DOVE MARKING EARLY POLICE VERY RARE: GunBroker is the largest seller of WW1 & WW2 Collectibles Collectibles & Militaria All: 961041063 . Goertz and D. Bryans, Walsworth Publishing Co., Marceline MO, USA, 1997. rural police groups: The Einwohnerwehr was a paramilitary police force formed by The variation 1 police marked 4mm sub caliber muzzle protector that can be installed in a single step seems more practical for use with the police cleaning rod. SIG Sauer Tango MSR Optic Review: Your Value & Performance LPVO. This 1943 dated police holster represents the last year Germany made all leather Police holsters. LUGER POLICE P-08 MAGAZINE. It is, therefore, not necessary in some cases, as the above 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example shows, to modify these cut-back Artillery to Police holsters to accommodate a Police cleaning rod as the leather flexibility, size and wall thickness varies between manufactures of WW1 Artillery holsters, specifically the cleaning rod pouches/sleeves from stiff, thick and less flexible leather to supple, thinner and more malleable leather, such as used with the 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example. The holster, shown with pistol, is unusual as it was made without a loading tool pouch under the cover flap and the cover flap lacks a keeper for the holster body attached closing strap. 1935 and 1936 are the only known manufacturing dates for the TP or Technische Polizeischule property marked holsters. Note the late 1920s and early 1930s Prussian state police brown holsters are Landjgerie and black holsters are Schutzpolizei. Additionally, pictured below are pages 94 and 95 of WOL showing an early supply poof E/HZa.JL.16, two army equipment depot proofs E/HZA.J.L.3 and HZA.JL.78 with the J representing building and L representing Lager or Depot and the digits representing the depot number. the If you collect Lugers, you need this book. I have several lugers and Broomhandles with the "HZaJt18" marking on them. A remaining question: who changed the 7.65mm barrels into 9mm barrels? the same style holster pictured with a 1920 chamber stamped commercial/Army/Police Luger 70319. arms of this police force were a source of comflict with the IMKK, who I. German Police Forces during the Weimar Era, [This information is lifted almost verbatim from Weimar and Early Without delay, lets get into the coolest of the bunch: DWM Model 1900 7.65mm Ejercito Mexicano marked commercial pistol made in hopes of gaining contracts with the Mexican military. The instruction manual is pictured and other interesting details are described in TBLAP, VIII, Chapter 19, Page 1297, Fig. This was forbidden by the Treaty of subcommissions and left Germany during January 1927. Due to the different design of the variation 1 muzzle protector this particular interference issue is not encountered. 1920-1933: DWM Lugers. Reportedly next to the remaining lot of 2,760 of these readied blank toggle pistols also a small quantity of unmarked toggles came from Berlin to Oberndorf. TBLAP by Grtz/Sturgess, 2011 & 2012, VIII, on pages 1262-1264 and pictured on page 1262, Fig. Additionally, hand written in pencil on the wooden cover is Fehrenbach, which is an area in Germany. In Berlin, the German Police screwed the barrels out and replaced them with 9 mm barrels. Estimated Price: $ 5,500 - $ 7,500 Price Realized: Details Scarce German 1936, Dated S/42 Code Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig with Two Matching Magazines and 1936 Dated Holster Manufacturer: Mauser Model: P08 Type: Pistol Gauge: 9 mm Luger Barrel: 3 7/8 inch round Finish: blue Grip: walnut checkered Stock: Item Views: 9264 19-130 text caption: A post-WW1 new manufactured police issue cleaning rod with soft-soldered stop for use with the Mndungsschoner for the P.08.These were issued to the police on a scale of one per pistol.Many of these rods will be police unit marked on the shaft between handle and muzzle stop. The production outlet was 100 pistols a day during that time. 3 Arming Weimar Germany, including Weimar Police Lugers, the Sear Safety, the Magazine Safety, profiles of Weimar Police Lugers, Police holsters, Police Magazines and Police tools & miscellaneous. The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in 1920-1933: DWM Lugers. I 1924 titled Verkehrsposten der Schutzpolizei or Traffic posts of the security police. which clearly shows an early Weimar era police officer with a rare belt loop variation of a cut-back artillery holster with closed toe, full cover flap with an up-strap and brass stud closure. 1. Compare the above to this World War I 1917-dated DWM Artillery Luger with the more appropriate German markings.. The new Mge auch die zweite Uuslage jedem Polizeibeamten weiterhin ein gutter Fhrer auf dem schwierigen Gebiete des polizeilichen Missens sein. ad[5]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/wittmann.jpg'; Pictured is a 1942 dated A. Fischer Berlin C.2 police holster with an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp; view 1 and view 2. Potsdam = Oak*, in June 1921. The kit is decidedly different in construction and contents from the official Reinigungsgert 34 & R.G.34 fr Kal. they are found. Luger Magazine Marks Extruded steel body, manufactured by Haenel (WaffenAmt codes 122, FXO, Eagle 37). 19-130 text caption picturing a cut-back LP.08 holster: that the converted LP.08 artillery holsters were not reconverted by the decree of August 1928 and so retaining the LP.08 cleaning rod pocket (pouch), modified by addition of a wider top section and second stud to accommodate the long Police cleaning rod with soldered on travel stop. by Poot 06 May 2016, 07:54, Post This interference issue varies from barrel to barrel, curiously, to both police and non-police P.08 9mm Lugers, depending on the width of the sight blade sliding base. $60. is the only publication that is very specific as to its use, unfortunately, Usually when this is done another identification is added. Each state (Pomerania, Prussia, Silesia, etc.) Otherwise, the magazine has no proof stamps or markings besides the serial number. The 2008 discussions were all over the map with collectors stating that the WOL Costanzo comments were incorrect, disputing the WaAJL16 stamp as incorrectly interpreted by Costanzo as being WaAJt16. made LP.08 holster, cut-back modified/converted in the Weimar era for use with a police P.08, 4-inch barrel Luger. The E/Mg10 is thought to be the inspector stamp or proof marking used at this depot. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- and shipped to Mauser in the great move of 1930. The only known publication that mentions the E/WaAJL16 stamping is found in World of Lugers, a.k.a. Kommando der B. Landespolizei=Command of the B. It is curious that the subject converted LP.08 holster, however, lacks the horizontal stitch line that secures the bottom edge of the holster body inner liner found on all observed artillery LP.08 holsters, original and converted. As a result, the holster is about of an inch longer than the typically encountered cut-back artillery holster with a toe plug.
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