of glass, having the harps of God. If all of Egypt rulers and royalty were white why are 99% of the ancient artifacts depicted with black people on them? In Ez 1, the skies (shamayim) were opened allowing Ezekiel to have the vision. However, if the firmament is supposed to be made of sapphire, then Exodus is telling us that the firmament is not blue because it is clear and there is water behind it, but rather because its made of blue stone. The firmament deals with the structure of the If we identify the sapphire flagstones with the firmament, it means God might have been on the same level as Moses and company, even he did tower over them with godly proportions. words, Paul is saying there are two things the believer can and should know. 24:10, Job 22:14, and Ezek. American Standard Version And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. Im hoping that it is just my innate ignorance! And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.". This now gives us a better understanding of what the is also found in some other important things in the Bible, an example being brazen altar of sacrifice was. Waters Above the Heavens a Place to Praise God (the LORD) from Psalm 148. 2) Its interesting to note how both the descriptions in Ezekiel and Exodus interject a bit epistemological uncertaintyonly naturalby saying what they saw was like (prefix ke) or the likeness of (demuth)the language of the genre of vision literature. And the evening and the morning were the second day. But this was not the major source of the Flood waters. Id be curious if anyone else sees it this way or has an alternate explanation for verse 20. It was precisely from these subjective, culturally conditioned beliefs, deemed truths, about the nature of the world that biblical scribes then proceeded to compose creation myths whose aim was to explain their observable world. day.". " They cite this as their source This is absolutely incorrect and a concept that does not of the sky (the atmosphere) or outer space, or both (which it is), but the (Scene from the award-winning Christian video, The World that Perished .) Gen_1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 and god called the firmament heaven (Num 21:10 vs Num 33:41), #70. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. It is a creation account that matches its authors culturally conditioned and subjective truths about the world. good. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power." 1) The dimensions and structure of all things physical things and how they The firmament is described in Genesis 1:6-8 in the Genesis creation narrative: Then God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. God. Therefore, applying the rules of grammar and logic, those Lets take a look at this prophecy in Ezekiel,The firmament was an expanse of air, the sky, being firmly compacted by ice water above it, hence why the earth was out of the water, meaning as dry land separated from the water, but within the water, meaning underneath this ice water. Let them praise the name of the Lord, for he commanded, and they were created. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. Psalms 150:1 KJV, "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven." as a relic of a pre-scientific culture and translate the Hebrew word Broadly speaking, this is an outline of the divine planthe blueprintfor building the Kingdom. that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with It was also observed that the waters above, that is the sky, had its starting point at the horizon, where it came into contact with the waters below, and then arched far above like a dome and finally descended again to meet the waters below on the opposite horizon. For example, it is likened to the floors of a building, which we call "stories" ", "That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; This word means simply "expansion." It" denotes the space or expanse like an arch appearing immediately above us. raqia as a "dome" or "vault" in some modern Bibles, Atmospheric physicist Larry Vardiman used climate modeling software to construct a virtual vapor canopy. above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world." And it was so. O ye waters that be above the firmament bless ye the Lord; 4. Although Im in no position to answer your questions, here are some of my initial thoughts on the matter, as well as my own questions. Thanks play. ", " It is funny how the tree-hugging leftist lib wackjobs of our day decry the so-called greenhouse effect! must Was the Festival of Unleavened Bread a pilgrimage festival OR not? Johnson, D.D., D.Th. If the skies (shamayim) are both the firmament, domed barrier, and the waters above, which seems to be what is implied here, then under this conception the skies are nothing more than half of the untamed preexisting waters now held back and in check by a clear solid domed barrier, the raqaa far cry from our sky! closely: "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. Since the Hebrew word for skies (sha-mayim) is composed of the letter shin plus the word for water, mayimalways in the plural, watersit is quite possible that what came to be called the skies was a combination of the solid domed firmament or raqa and the waters above it. Then, you have the Noah Flood, where all live was eliminated, except for Noah and his family and animal cargo, or so the story goes. for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:" The earth is our inheritance, for Jesus said in Matthew 5:5, 5 Blessed are the gentle ["meek," KJV], for they shall inherit the earth. know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge. (Gen 35:19 vs Gen 37:11), Genesis 1:24-27 The Creation of Mankind, More Than An Animal, #96. Expanse or Firmament (raqia). beneath; I am from love of Christ, a spiritual thing which is beyond full comprehension by man. midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. Strangely, in Ezekiel the throne is above the expanse, and the expanse is described as qerach, or ice/crystal which is almost certainly intended to be white in color from its other uses in the OT and its the *throne* which is made of blue stone. A corollary to Firmament. It is also likened in places to crystal or smooth glass: "And the likeness of the firmament upon the depth, and the heart of kings [is] unsearchable. Gen 1:20 KJV: "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven." So the Sea above is on the outside of the firmament. Further com - plicating the puzzle, the Bible speaks of three heavens. And the evening and the morning were the second day. from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. But it looks like youve spent more time on these passages than I originally did. (Ex 4:14 vs Ex 4:27), This subjective cosmological portrait of the world is also found in this authors flood story. Lenore Tawney (American, 1907-2007) United States, New York, New York City. where the Ark of the Covenant was. Paul is speaking about two different things in this passage. disconnect between the apparent age of the stars and the universe and the It is But there you have it. Do the Israelites travel from Hor to Oboth OR to Zalmonah? GENESIS 1:3-5 GENESIS 1:9-10. (Exodus 24:10 KJV), "And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled and, sure enough, the same word is even used in the KJV Bible. which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so. language of the firmament being a firm, fixed structure (, " as a theoretical "water canopy" which once of separation is a FIRM and impassable barrier between the world of man Just a general comment to thank you for this site and its clear explication of current Biblical thinking. ", On the second day of the Ezekiel 10:1 KJV, "And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings." (Job 38:30 KJV), "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was This firmament he calls "heavens." But the omission of "it was good" signals that God hasn't finished this project: what's incompletely formed is not yet good. This would also explain why Noah and his family were amazed to see a rainbowsince no rain had EVER fallen to that point, theyd never experienced one. the galleries round about on their three stories, over against the door, face of the deep is frozen." GENESIS 1:6 KJV "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." Genesis King James Version (KJV) SEARCH THE BIBLE (Advanced) BOOK (Index) CHAPTER VERSE Genesis 1:6 "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." In English, the word "firmament" is recorded as early as 1250, in the Middle English Story of Genesis and Exodus.It later appeared in the King James Bible.The same word is found in French and German Bible translations, all from Latin firmamentum (a firm object), used in the Vulgate (4th century). And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. (above). 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. from this website are for instructional or promotional purposes and do not : site:http://contradictionsinthebible.com KW to show any occurrences of KW on the site. Many modern scholars consign the term "firmament" In the old world of the original creation, there was a as a relic of a pre-scientific culture and translate the Hebrew word, as a "dome" or "vault" in some modern Bibles, of separation is a FIRM and impassable barrier between the world of man throne, [were] four beasts full of eyes before and behind." Ruin-Reconstruction interpretation of Genesis. like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the And God called the firmament Heaven. Atlantis was now under what we know as the Atlantic Ocean, and mankind now did NOT have the protection of that bubble, so the solar radiation now caused mankind to age rapidly, no more 800 year old mennow, we average 75 years. According to the Scriptures, there is a physical/spiritual structure to the called the firmament Heaven. This canopy trapped the sun's rays more effectively than our present atmosphere does and gave a semi-tropical climate to every part of the world. Some interpreters believe that the waters above are referring to a water vapor canopy that was above the earth prior to the Flood of Noah. physical universe - outer space as we call it: "And God said, Let there be lights in the Lenore Tawney's Waters above the Firmament owes its striking character to the simplicity of its basic concept: a large circle set into a square. the structure of things, "the breadth, and length, Lord God defined Three (3) heavens. Maybe Ezekiel tried to resolve the same question Im asking: How can the firmament support both the waters above and Yahwehs throne seat? Maybe you can help me, KW. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Materials from this site may C: The first key we have with what a firmament does is that it divides the waters from the waters. 66:1, which I think is well-known, speaks about how heaven is his throne and the earth is his footstool, which to me conveys the image of his feet resting on the pavement of the firmament. - Psalms 148:4. Apostle Paul was talking about in the book of 2 Corinthians 12:2, where he Hi Sabba, just a quick response there is no way to view comments by name on this kind of blog. And the evening and the morning were the second day." (Genesis 1:6-8 KJV) (Ex 21:30 vs Num 35:31), #194. So promote away! but it is rendered as ", " This particular "Sea" language of the firmament being a firm, fixed structure (FIRMament). the The Genesis creation narrative is the creation myth of both Judaism and Christianity. 2021Gaines R. Since the ancient Israelites perceived and held to be true that there existed a vast body of water above the sky, held in check by the sky itself, which was perceived as a solid domed barrier or firmament,1 our author therefore creates a narrative that explains the origins of these waters above the sky. The Bible says that all wisdom and knowledge is and this higher sea is below the Throne of God: "And before the throne [there was] a sea of The Third Heaven is above this upper "Sea," called the "firmament," and this firmament is (Num 18:21, 31 vs Deut 14:29), #164. The Hebrew of Ex 24:10 says that what they see below (?) In Job and Ezekiel its clear that God is above the firmament or vault of the heavens, and walks around up there, probably opening the floodgates to let rain down, and what-not. throne, [were] four beasts full of eyes before and behind.". " This observation was confirmed of course by the very fact that it rained. 15 Jan 2023 17:35:42 We know that the Nonetheless, God loves us. This fact the text itself bears witness to. in the KJV for good reason. Then God said, "Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens." Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork. 1) Im not so sure the Israelite scribes actually sat down and detailed this vision of the skies, firmament, the waters above, and Yahwehs domain and throne seat, etc. with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his When was the name Yahweh first invoked: in the earliest generations of man OR not till Moses at Sinai? KJV 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. the galleries round about on their three, In the construction of Moses' Tabernacle in the ( Gen 1:6-8 KJV) The arguments used by the BFE community and the scholars they cite are the following: gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] After all, the sinking continent would be a matter of interpretation. was so. Its probably my Reform Jewish upbringing and beliefs, but I fail to understand how seeing the Bible as it really is in any way undermines the central truths it is trying to teach: There is a God, God created the world, and declared it good. The Creation The authors perspectives and culturally defined beliefs, indeed truths, about the nature of his world are then transferred to the God of this text who then creates the subjective world that this very author and his culture perceived and lived in. From Genesis to Revelation with hard copy from the Throne is where my source material resides and it shoots holes in the premise of this site. It was the support also of the heavenly bodies ( Genesis 1:14 ), and is spoken of as having "windows" and "doors" ( Genesis 7:11 ; Isaiah 24:18 ; Malachi 3:10 ) through which the rain and snow might descend. Gen_1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. the firmament. If the firmament supports, is the barrier for, the waters above (Gen 1:7; Ps 148:4), how is it that it also supports Yahwehs feet and throne? During the seven-days of the Genesis regeneration the waters on the Earth are called ", " in elsewhere on the Internet, for either personal or commercial use, without The structure of the heavens is a recurring theme O all ye powers of the Lord, bless ye the Lord; praise him and magnify him for ever. for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:", These two heavens constitute a Not according to the Bible! all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to ", "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was And the evening and the morning were the second day. Genesis. It is also likened in places to crystal or smooth glass: "And the likeness of the firmament upon the I have done a pretty poor job in getting this website out across more, all, social forums. : The Waters Above the Firmament, Or the Earth'S Annular System by Isaac Newton Vail, first published in 1902, is a rare manuscript, the original residing in one of the great libraries of the world. (with thin sheets of metal):beat, make broad, spread abroad (forth, over, is like a paved/transparent? The 4th Day of Genesis - Paradox of the Sun and Stars. 3) The Holy of Holies [9] And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry . above the firmament (in type) in the structure of the Three Heavens. 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. Proverbs 8:27 (ESV) "Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.". the veil). visible cosmos. In other words, those particular waters are ABOVE the visible cosmos. waters that [be] above the heavens." and you waters above the heavens. with all the fulness of God." This verse says that the Sun, Moon, and Stars are "in" ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. Ezekiel 1:26 KJV. sea of glass [8] And God called the firmament Heaven. firmament. universe. firmament He called ", "And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the 2) The Holy Place, where the candlestick, And God called the firmament Heaven. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork." The reason it appears like a smooth, crystal surface and depth, and height;" then there is the The first action of the third day is a further separation, this time gathering the . Scientists of today's Fundamentalism (Young Earth Creationists) have interpreted the "waters It formed a division between the waters above and the waters below (Genesis 1:7). (Revelation 4:6 KJV). are structured, 2) The O ye winds of God, bless ye the Lord; the breadth, and length, the express written permission of this Ministry. Daniel 12:3 chapter context similar meaning copy save (Ephesians 3:17-19 KJV). the Bible, but there is also another ", " ", The structure of the heavens is a recurring theme to praise God (the LORD). NLT 7 And that is what happened. the body of heaven in his clearness. heavens structure. Do the Israelites leave Egypt on the 15th day of the 1st month, #11. and to be praised and exalted above all for ever. Let's look at Genesis 1:6 again and more O ye showers and dew, bless ye the Lord; praise him and magnify him for ever. three was a curtain for a partition, which matches the "sea" Glad you appreciate the material. Third, we all ALSO know the legend of the great city of Atlantis, so I also wont go into that one.
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