But the huge jump in salary would seem to be, if not the definitive factor, at least the major one. "He really helped re-instill confidence in me every day," Archer said. The plan is for Johnson to stick around with the Twins through their upcoming five-game series against the Cleveland Guardians, and leave for LSU after June 30. Sources told @DanHayesMLB he was making about $400K with the Twins. Strip the team, win the same make money off your ignorant butt. Its actually in the MLB rules the reason to play the game is to win and what gives you the best chance of winning TOP PITCHING you want a championship Get 2 Ace pitchers and some offense.. and every season youll have a shot at a world series why because pitching wins post season games.. I dont think so. In fact, several sources with experience in both the pro and college games said college coaching salaries can be much more lucrative than pro coaching salaries, especially those in the minor leagues. Webhow are the united states and spain similar. And why would he do all of this in the middle of the season? Id take a demotion if it meant I was making over double the money. What do you guys know?' In baseball, it hasn't been. The minimum salary for an MLB player was $570,500 in 2021, while under the new CBA, the minimum salary is now $700,000. Just interesting because of the unusual nature of an active MLB pitching coach being involved. In the end, you only live 1 life so if I can get paid double what I am currently making, Id take it too. Eno Sarris and Zach Buchanan have a story at The Athletic about the move, and what it possibly means for other coaches and other teams going forward. You may be right. Wes Johnson has been an integral part of our organization over the last three and a half seasons and has helped guide our pitchers at the highest level, Twins president of baseball operations Derek Falvey said in a press release. Its actually hire time for NCAA. Every single facet you could think of, he's been the best.". Related: MLB power rankings 2022: Best MLB teams in New York heading into July, MLB trade rumors: Latest MLB rumors in June, MLB power rankings 2022: Best MLB teams in New York heading into July. Hey man, fouling pitches off instead of hitting a bad pitch to hit is pretty much the definition of having a good plate discipline. They also have the seventh-most College World Series appearances. Arizona offered Yeskie a contract over $650,000 annually, including better job security than MLB franchises are willing to provide. There are only 30 lead pitching coach positions in the highest. I wonder how many professionals can make twice as much money teaching at a college compared to working in the corporate world? College and MLB seasons don't really track together as college play just Dan Hayes of The Athletic reported that the Twins front office had a motto: In Wes We Trust. His ability to evaluate talent has been a big factor this season. Im not trying to be snarky, please dont take it that way. Is there a team out there that doesnt have at least 2 pitchers out for the season? Theres almost no chance a booster is calling the dugout if Johnson wants to send his ace out into the eighth inning. Shortly after arriving at their downtown hotel, the Twins held a mandatory meeting in the ballroom. "I think there will be a learning process there, but there hasn't been any issues yet. "I'm probably a little naive," Falvey told me in 2019. It could also play a bigger role as the Twins approach the trade deadline. Sheeeeeeeet Id go mostly anywhere for $750k. Cal Ripken and Cooperstown are connected again. Much more. 2023 Baseball HOF preview: Downballot candidates try to hold Report: Royals want Greinke to accept inexpensive, incentive Report: Red Sox bring in Alfaro on minor-league deal. The fact that the Tigers have not been to the CWS in 5 years is likely behind a huge spending spree on their coaching staff the last 2 years. LSU baseball pitching coach Wes Johnson, who was hired Monday evening, has signed his three-year contract worth $1.14 million. The term sheet has a $380,000 annual base salary through June 2025. Leaving the Minnesota Twins, who reportedly had Johnson on a salary near $400,000, he now has the chance to eclipse that figure with postseason incentives. I didnt have tickets to their games but it still seems like half the fans had LSU gear. As mentioned earlier, the teams pitching was better under Johnson, especially his first two years in Minnesota. Wtf are you talking about? A huge bump in salary, for a job that wouldnt have been available in October, made sense. Hes worked with Johnson for the last two years since he was promoted to the Major League staff, and its likely that Maki will be given the interim tag going forward. New LSU pitching coach Wes Johnson is set to receive $1.14 million over a three-year contract starting on July 4, according to the term sheet released to The Im sure he has considered that and decided that he much prefers to pursue the rest of his career in an elite college program. Lateral would be to another professional organization, not from pros to college. 6:30PM: In a surprise midseason move, Twins pitching coach Wes Johnson is leaving the team to return to the college ranks, as D1 Baseballs Kendall Rogers (Twitter link) reports that Johnson has been hired as LSUs new pitching coach. Probably a better package at LSU. "I sent (the screenshot) to a couple of the other guys, and other guys had just seen it, and it spread like wildfire," Smeltzer said. Hard to find much on his Bio but he does have a son. The Lafayette Daily Advertiser reported Johnson's LSU contract has a $380,000 yearly base salary for three years, plus a $800 per month vehicle allowance and $25,000 relocation incentive. In 2019 at least nine college baseball coaches made more than $1 million annually while eleven MLB managers made less than $1 million. Odd that he would leave during the season and not negotiate leaving after the season. LSU, meanwhile, was very aggressive in recruiting Johnson. Which would seem to indicate that, well, coaches arent seen as that important, are seen as largely interchangeable. Who is back? Right there at the end (of Saturdays start) we were just kind of reflecting on the week and outing. "But if you're coaching (basketball) at Kentucky and you go to the Chicago Bulls, no one blinks. "He'll be around watching my bullpens asking me questions - not as much as Wes, but it's enough to have the transition be pretty smooth.". Twins reliever Emilio Pagan said Johnson quickly helped him add two pitches after he arrived via an Opening Day trade. This is when a LOT of hires take place. FAYETTEVILLE -- University of Arkansas pitching coach Wes Johnson is leaving the Razorbacks for professional baseball. LSU, meanwhile, was very aggressive in recruiting Johnson. There was an SI article on young starting pitchers pitching so many innings? Are we throwing the pitches that we want to throw, the way we want to throw them? But to go from the major leagues the pinnacle of the sport to college baseball? The Athletic reported on Monday that Johnson was making $400,000 per year with the organization. They said they'd wait until they got to Cleveland to address it. Twins generate a lot more revenue than LSU and they obviously value a premiere coach more than a MLB team does, which is alarming, but not surprising. Holy snikees. The decision puts the Twins in a midstream juggling act. Still the hire raised eyebrows at the time since Johnson had never worked in an MLB organization before the Twins took a chance on him, but evidently, he prefers to head back to school. Offense sells tickets pitching wins championships.. and the MN twins are a great ticket seller but they havent developed ACE type pitching thus they are the world record holder for the most consecutive games lost in the post season so the next time you see your reflection please dont assume it is someone else.. LSU waited until after the College World Series today to announce the hire. The story is worth checking out, for a number of reasons, but what struck me in reading about it is what it reveals about the compensation for coaches, and what it says about how they are valued. ET. He is taking near similar money, if not less https://t.co/pX7dKdXK7V. Kelly left LSU after he was hired as Washington's new coach. Maki, the teams bullpen coach, has been with the organization since 2017 when he was hired as the teams minor league pitching coach. The fact that major league coaches Johnson, in his southern accent, told the team his priorities were God, his family, and baseball - and that his priorities had gotten out of order. The hires arent unusual between college and pro, just not usually as high profile. * 21+ (19+ CA-ONT) (18+ NH/WY). No one should expect to make money from the picks and predictions discussed on this website. Johnson was a hit, as the Twins won division titles in 2019 and '20. The athletic department is strong, and pretty self-sufficient in all sports. Twins must want some prospect(s) from that college. ", "Some of us understand analytics more than others," he said, "but Wes has a way of getting it through to all of us. The WNBA will head north for a preseason game in Canada. A trio of NFL playoff quarterback newcomers provided some memorable playoff moments. Johnson had never worked in pro baseball prior to being hired by the Twins, though several teams in recent years have hired coaches with more varied resumes than the usual background as a player, coach, or manager at the MLB or minor league levels. It's a very strange move in the middle of the season. Keep in mind that college athletic programs are a major selling point to Alumni Departments when asking for donations. What Johnson meant to the Twins, and how difficult it will be to replace him under these circumstances, will be seen in the coming weeks as both parties go their separate ways. Beyond the plan, are we executing the plan? The value of a marginal win on the free agent market for players has been discussed for years now, and while marginal win value isnt linear for an individual player (a 0 win to 1 win delta for a player has less value than a 3 win to 4 win delta, for example) and depends on each individual teams situation, we can comfortably say that a marginal win is going to be valued at somewhere from $5 to $10 million. Johnson addressed the group in a sixth-floor ballroom at the Ritz-Carlton. A five-game series with the second-place Cleveland Guardians awaited, and the Twins were ready to re-establish themselves as the best team in the division. Seems odd hed leave in mid-season. LSU baseball has hired Minnesota Twins pitching coach Wes Johnson for the same role, LSU announced Sunday. He wanted to go all-in with his new role. If he quits, sue him! Presumably, assistant pitching coach Luis Ramirez or bullpen coach Pete Maki are the likeliest candidates to step into Minnesotas pitching coach role on at least an interim basis. Maki, in fact, was hired by the Twins from Duke University, where he was pitching coach. From Sarris/Buchanan: No source contacted for this article knew of any pitching coaches who made [$750,000] in the big leagues. Why leave in the middle of the season? Despite that caveat, Baldelli expressed confidence in the midseason change: "Our guys will adapt well to this," he said Thursday. Travis Sawchik is theScore's senior baseball writer. Subscribe to The Athletic for in-depth coverage of your favorite players, teams, leagues and clubs. But were only about a month off of players moving back for fall ball, and Sept 1 rolling around. He coached in the SEC at Mississippi State and Arkansas before going straight to the majors in his first MLB job. Its because they dont know how to pitch these days. What kind of power do you think MLB actually has? Try a week on us. June 26, 11:03PM: Johnson will receive a $380K annual salary from LSU, according to the school, a modest increase over the approximately $350K per year that the coach received from the Twins. [/q #LSU https://t.co/iXDPdKS6pm pic.twitter.com/OVkWIrQgXS. He's an integral part of the coaching staff, helping Baldelli an outfielder in his playing days make decisions around all things pitching. Johnson didn't have a chance between Sunday's game and flight to properly inform the team before the news leaked. If he wanted to go and was denied that opportunity both his attitude and desire would take on a decidedly negative attitude which would affect both his ability to relate to pitchers, position players, fellow coaches, the team manager and the front office. And yeah, leaving the Twins mid-season is kind of a suck, but I dont know the situation. Going one step further: MLB is burning out their pitchers. Angelos says Orioles won't leave Baltimore, then scolds repo 2023 Baseball HOF preview: Best of this year's 'one-and-done Padres sign top international prospect Salas to reported $5. Correa agent Boras puzzled by New York's decision: 'I don't Report: Cubs agree to 2-year, $14M deal with Mancini, Alonso: Mets 'on the brink of something extremely special', Cubs to honor Ryne Sandberg with statue at Wrigley Field. Not a lateral move if he is making more money. Who will step up? Are you talking about Wes? 750k is nice pay, and thats a storied collegiate program. Megan Ryan is a Minnesota Twins beat reporter. Interesting that he leaves in the middle of the Year considering the college season wont start until well after the Major League baseball season is over. Theres often a lot movement between professional and college baseball.just maybe not this newsworthy and high profile. More money, better job security, sometimes state pensions its a no-brainer. has anyone Jul 8 2016 Signed a 3 year $17.6 million contract with Los Angeles (LAC) Jun 1 2016 SoxFan24: Yeah, that surprised me. LSUs last College World Series appearance came in 2017 and it won its last national title in 2009. The Lafayette Daily Advertiser reported Johnson's LSU contract has a $380,000 yearly base salary for three years, plus a $800 per month vehicle allowance It's my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, one. Terms at draftkings.com/sportsbook. It says very little about the Twins and a lot about LSU. Either they made Johnson an offer he couldnt refuse, or they simply gave him a better life. Odds & lines subject to change. I wrote the comment prior to the addition of the pay section in the narrative, but for the college to pay twice as much a pro team for the same title coach is a tad unexpected, although not unheard of. The minimum salary for an MLB player was $570,500 in 2021, while under the new CBA, the minimum salary is now $700,000. He became known as the "czar of velocity" when he helped make the little-known Dallas Baptist program relevant on the college baseball scene. If he is successful down there, next he can run for the US Senate. Im MLB I ban any college from talking to coaches during season. A plush NCAA job would offer a LOT of incentive for an individual. The Minnesota Twins entered the offseason with a lot of roster uncertainty. Examining LSU baseball's 2023 roster: Who is gone? If Maki succeeds, it would make a lot of sense to have him continue on in the role past 2022. The 2021 season was a steep drop-off, with a 4.83 staff ERA. Heres something you dont see every day. Umhes making 30k more. Prior to his time in MLB, Johnson was the pitching coach at Arkansas for two seasons and at Mississippi State for a year. According to his new contract, hes taking a slight paycut to join the LSU staff: Term sheet for new #LSU pitching coach Wes Johnson says he signed a three-year deal paying him $380K per year, plus postseason incentives. The college season is much less demanding, though the year-round recruiting seems to be a big factor in his quick departure. The Twins saw a massive jump in strikeout rate, and Johnson was doing some of his best work this season. Im sure the cocaine had nothing to do with ruining his career. Given the sudden nature of Johnsons departure, the Twins are perhaps more apt to wait until after the season to hire a permanent replacement. If you dont know the difference theres no point in arguing with anyone here about it. Hes just really happy for me. The term sheet has a $380,000 Sure, Johnson has family in the south and life as a pitching coach in the NCAA may be less-taxing too. Many on board the flight were still unaware of the news when the team landed in Cleveland at 8:30 p.m. But that accelerated this past week, and the aggressive pitch became an offer Thursday. Johnson has been the Twins pitching coach since he left the University of Arkansas in 2019. Now that D1 athletes have NIL compensation, that makes that part easier. In addition to the 100% raise, I have to think that recruiting and retaining prime 18 to 22 year old talent is a factor. He connected his phone to the Wi-Fi and opened up Twitter, naturally. Johnson was initially hired out of the college ranks in 2018, after developing a reputation as one of the better instructors at the college level. Pete (Maki) and I have kind of had that dialogue (about preferences and terminology) through my entire time with the Twins," Ryan said. Johnson will indeed leave for LSU when the Twins series in Cleveland concludes on Thursday. Let your Yes be Yes, and your no be no! If Im getting my numbers right (and feel free to double check), Johnson will be making 500,000 more dollars a year. He will now be Yes, LSU is one of the top programs in the nation, and plays in one of the top conferences, but still, it is, prestige-wise, something of a step down. And you think he wouldnt have that as a big league pitching coach? Thats a significant improvement compared to the four seasons prior to Johnsons arrival, when the Twins ranked No. But theScore spoke to a number of Twins who said they understood and believed Johnson's reasoning. "It was a lot more emotional than I thought it would be," Smeltzer said. The situation there is akin to the Yankees or Dodgers not making the playoffs for 5 straight years. The trades would have provided a viable alternative if the price to trade for Frankie Montas or Luis Castillo surpasses what the Twins are willing to give up. Johnson isn't a run-of-the-mill pitching coach. I never learned this being competitive crap as a victory.. it may sell ticket but.. win World series no they cant even win a post season game or series. Unfortunately, the team has to deal with bigger news, a coaching shakeup that hasnt been seen in decades: the departure of Pitching Coach Wes Johnson to become the new pitching coach at Louisiana State University. Alan Dunn was LSUs pitching coach for 6 years up until this year, and he left a professional job with Baltimore. Three Rangers prospect are included in the Baseball America top 100 prospect list, Baseball America has their top 10 prospect list for the Rangers out, Eno Sarris and Zach Buchanan have a story at The Athletic. Both were in disbelief, so Correa walked back to staff's section, specifically to pitching coach Wes Johnson. Actually no. Even more peculiar is that the Twins tried to keep Johnson, asking him what they could do to prevent him from leaving, but Johnson didnt bite, opting to leave anyway. If he did, the younger pitcher would transfer and Johnson would be left to plug in the next arm. Guys are taught how to throw harder, not how to pitch. "What does this person need up here to prepare them to go out there and do their job? The college coach makes $400,000 more then the same position in MLB? The Twins first learned of Johnsons negotiations with LSU on Saturday. Would you rather be scouting a team in the Cape Cod league or agonizing over whether to put Tyler Duffey in the game on a 90-degree day in Detroit? Major League pitchers are doing on disabled lists at an epidemic rate. But timing matters. If a pitcher pitches too many innings and doesnt have enough cartilage to protect his arm, that pitchers effectiveness will go downhill. By the time the plane reached 30,000 feet somewhere over Wisconsin and regained Wi-Fi access, the first-place Twins knew they were losing the innovative coach who'd helped the staff to the 10th-best WAR in the majors since the start of the 2019 season, and to the seventh-best ERA in the majors this season. Johnsons recommendations were sure to play a vital role. But Johnsons role is defined by more than stats. When Falvey and Levine took over the Twins, the cupboard was bare in terms of quality pitching. Samuel, how often do you see a complete game now? In this case, at least, the SEC trumps the AL Central, which has the potential to send shockwaves through MLB if other big-time college programs attempt to lure major-league coaches in a similar manner, more than doubling what is a fairly typical salary in the big leagues. Players were shocked. The Twins are letting him out of his contract so theres no reason to believe that other teams would hold it against him in the future. Minnesota hasthe 11th best ERA in MLB and is in first place in the American League Central. LSU baseball pitching coach Wes Johnson, who was hired Monday evening, has signed his three-year contract worth $1.14 million. With Minnesota about to begin an important five-game series against the Guardians, Aaron Gleeman of The Athletic adds that Johnson is expected to remain with the Twins until that series is over. June 26, 11:03PM: Johnson will receive a $380K annual salary from LSU, according to the school, a modest increase over the approximately $350K per year that Report: Brewers, Brian Anderson agree to 1-year, $3.5M deal. If Johnson was doing that much and making roughly $400,000 per season, as Hayes reports, theres a chance its the high end of what assistant coaches are being paid. It may be a game but its still business. The success stories include Chris Archers comeback year, and rookie Joe Ryan pitching well in his first full MLB season. Twins, their players, Correa. Next. You dont see a lot of NCAA mens baseball coaches with MLB coaching experience, so thats going to look good to recruits. Bingo. Thanks, Wes, for that. Something sick in the structure for a pitching coach to make 750K at a public university in a poor state. Now, in the middle of the season, that coach is leaving a division-leading team thats seen as a pitcher or two away from being a contender to head to the college level. It also explains how colleges provide additional revenue streams aside from the base salary (which Sarris and Buchanan say is $388,000 for LSU) to make the overall package richer than what is publicly reported by the schools. It's my Lord and savior Jesus Christ, one. I wonder what he is making as a pitching coach for the Tigers and how much he turned down to go to UM. Managers only have so many options to work with if these guys are unhappy with how theyre handled they can go work someplace else. The team announced bullpen coach Pete Maki will take over Johnson's duties. Johnson, who grew up in Arkansas and lives there in the offseason, its a lot closer to his family then Minnesota is. I dont try to play pitching coach, Baldelli said earlier this month. This looks like an aggressive move from a perennially powerful college baseball franchise. 1, but Twins fans will pound the table for additional pitching help []. Two springs ago, Johnson brought force plates, which are more popular in golf, to the Twins' spring training complex and had pitchers throw off them to better understand how their kinetic chains were functioning. Since they didnt win a title this year they should just not bother? As the Twins flew to Cleveland on Sunday evening, players were shocked to learn many of them via social media that Wes Johnson was leaving their first-place team for a college job. Theres also a quality-of-life issue, as coaches with big time college programs do much less travel, particularly during the season, than MLB coaches do, and thus get to spend many more nights at home with their families. Its just not clear as to why, or what made him jump ship mid-voyage. Sad to say but his coke addiction probably prolonged his career. ", Johnson was there for Smeltzer's major-league debut: six shutout innings at home against the Brewers on May 28, 2019. Starting pitching was seen as a big question mark for the Twins heading into 2022, but the club has weathered another set of injuries to post strong-to-respectable numbers in several categories. Who is back? Like a former NFL coach going back to coach in NCAA, recruits want to play for a coach with MLB experience even if its a little. Perhaps the oddest part, is that the Twins have 89 games left in their season. That offsets any loses and brings in a lot of money. That happens all the time. Also from Hayes, talks between the Twins and Johnson were more about what might make [the] job more appealing to Johnson, and he didnt ask the club for more money. Baldelli told reporters before Thursday's game that "the pitching guys have been doing a lot of talking together over the last four days. For more information, please read our Legal Disclaimer. If LSU does not win and dominate pitching he will be on the hot seat. The first-place Minnesota Twins are losing their pitching coach Wes Johnson to LSU, where hes set to serve in the same role, according to Baseball America. LSU baseball pitching coach Wes Johnson, who was hired Monday evening, has signed his three-year contract worth $1.14 million. A preseason Top 15 team nearly every year, the program has racked up six National Championships, the second most in the country. The team could rally together and the pitching could improve in his absence or the arms could struggle further. 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