Indeed, a cadet assigned as a visitor to a regular unit on active duty would not be under disciplinary sanctions by his training command and institution if s/he were under sanctions the cadet would be disqualified from visiting. Your comment reeks of arrogance. Thus, I suspect a warrant officer's wife is addressed a "wifady" (wife/lady.) Serving the Rugged Professional", Survivor Outreach Services | Total Army Sponsorship | Safety, Human Resources | Civilian Expeditionary Workforce, U.S. Army Environmental Command | Assistant Secretary of the Army for Installations, Energy & Environment, HOSPITAL - Keller Army Community Hospital, Military Police and Religous Support Personnel, U.S Army MEDDAC- Keller Army Community Hospital, U.S Army DENTAC- West Point Dental Activity, United States Military Academy at West Point, Assistant Secretary of the Army for Installations, Energy & Environment. Simple professionalism is another, Respect the service, respect the service member. Warrant Officers are formally addressed as "Mister." The authors creative example about an NCO looking at a lugnut and an officer looking at the whole vehicle is nuts (bad humor). Anyway. entitled to the salute.". Sometimes, XO is a way of calling the commander or a head of a department in the organization. Upon the successful completion of flight school cadets received their flight wings and were commissioned as second lieutenants and incured an additional four year service commitment. Interesting because WO1s are appointed by SecDef on behalf of the CinC. Allan intervened on Poe's behalf one last time and used his considerable influence . She has served as Operations NCOIC since 2017. She created a public event called "Play Day," which received press from Time Out New York, Gothamist, and various other New York City media outlets. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); The articles and other content which appear on the Modern War Institute website are unofficial expressions of opinion. come from many NCO's who claim that "NCO's are the backbone of the Army". Is anyone able to give me a solid answer to this question? They are TDY for a few weeks therefore their authority only extends to West Point. Cadets are never saluted. I always say Semper Fi or Airborne when I return salute. Its like my father (retired CW3) taught me; " I don't have to respect you but I HAVE TO RESPECT your rank.". Command Sergeant Major Michel R. Fraser was born in Wilmington, North Carolina and raised in Conway, South Carolina. Ive been on both sides of the fence. Its not so much AR, but UCMJ. She graduated from Conway High School in 1989. I felt honored to have him there. Don't assume a damn thing, if a young NCO or Soldier tells you he "thinks" the vehicle is ready or has a full tank of fuel, hand him a long stick, send him back to the Motor Pool, have him put the stick into the fuel tank and bring back said stick with fuel on it, that way both of you will now KNOW that the vehicle is fueled. -If you are a Soldier and you are still carrying around the trash attitude of the "good ole' days", it is most likely time for you to go. Per the order, they are not entitled to a salute. He also volunteers with local community organizations such as Higher Ground Men's Group, Men of St. Joseph, and the Most Holy Trinity Catholic Choir. The one group that actually gave us respect and tried to help and mentor us were the senior NCOs. The NCO referred me to AR 600-20, Army Command Policy, which makes it pretty clear that West Point cadets do, in fact, outrank Army NCOs. The Cadet wr had wrote all of us NCOs that trained him, some. U.S. ARMY INSTALLATION MANAGEMENT COMMAND, "We Are the Army's Home - Somebody at USMA needs to ensure cadets are informed about their precedence in the order of ranks and teach them that while they are at AOT/CLTC, etc. A rescinding announcement is required if the temporary assumption of command is for an indefinite period. I respect ALL Personnel of the US ARMED FORCES and Civilians appointed over me. Command Sergeant Major Fraser previous positions and assignments include G1 Sergeant Major, 13th Expeditionary Sustainment Command, Fort Hood, Texas; First Sergeant, Bravo Company and Reception Transition Unit, Fort Benning, Georgia; Senior Human Resources Sergeant, 501st Sustainment Brigade, Camp Carroll, Korea; Senior Human Resources Sergeant, 1st ABCT, Fort Riley, Kansas; Battalion S1 NCOIC, 2-4 FAR, Fort Sill, Oklahoma; Senior Drill Sergeant, B 2-39 INF REGT, Fort Jackson, South Carolina; Brigade S3 Operations Sergeant and Customer Support Branch, 1st PERSCOM, Schwetzingen, Germany; Personnel Administrative Sergeant, 87th CSSB, Fort Stewart, Georgia; Assistant Brigade Personnel Sergeant, Personnel Administrative NCO and Training Room NCO, 1st Brigade, Fort Stewart, Georgia. GO ARMY! Then again for the same categories who were on rear detachment duties! But Im sure he felt stung just a little bit. Why hasn't a single one of you been taught that humility, respect and honor flows both ways but in different fashions? This does not mean they are to enact on that rank as authority has been given to the person in command of them. No matter what route an O receives his commission by, he will regard his SNCOs and NCOs who trained him with the utmost honor and respect. For lack of official guidance I was assigned as an assistant platoon leader in an Armored Cavalry Company and my platoon sergeant was a former Navy Seal with combat tours in Vietnam (along with other unmentionable places during that conflict). He has much humility and respect for all who serve and served so he will appreciate your words. He is actually correct, SMP cadets serve in ARNG units in the rank of cadet. And get to know your PBO very well! In July 2001, after graduation from high school, Perez entered the United States Military Academy at West Point. Rather, the Modern War Institute provides a forum for professionals to share opinions and cultivate ideas. While being true you must also realize there is a need for Commissioned Officers as well as Non Commissioned Officers. We're also the one demographic that gives the socialist/communists nightmares because they know they can't take us head on in any manner so they go through the younger people to reach their aims. Dont demand respect earn it. I was an Air Force Aviation Cadet during the late 1950's. Haha. When I was an O-3, I regularly saluted SGM's first depending on who saw whom first and the nature of the encounter. I just wished the device had been turned on when he was messing with the ground strap. USAG Yuma Proving Grounds, n Principal Engineer Colorado Long story short: Years of hands-on experience trumps reading an instruction manual, This applies in every situation and every single time. Sergeant Major Schlegel earned his Black Belt in Lean Six Sigma (Process Improvement) in 2016, and is actively involved in building the process improvement community at West Point. Thanks for subscribing! A (knight) officer is a commissioned officer and formally addressed as "SIR!" They're inchoate officers. I had another LT in one of the other shops stop me almost with tears in his eyes that I had just salutes 2 other 1LTs on the way into the building and while laughing explained me to that LTs did not salute each other. I have to admit that when he asked what I needed I probably got a little pleasure by responding: a cup of coffee. A CSM outranks a SPC, but you never see the latter salute the former. We had a young know it all LT around the COMS tent he starts looking around and I see him messing with the ground strap the future leader of our troops disconnected it. Command Sergeant Major Fraser awards and decorations include: Meritorious Service Medal (1 SOLC, 1OLC), Army Commendation Medal (2 OLC), Army Achievement Medal (1 SOLC, 4 OLC), Presidential Unit Citation, Joint Meritorious Unit, Army Superior Unit, Army Good Conduct Medal (Numeral 6) Defense Service Medal, Kosovo Campaign Ribbon, Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, Korean Defense Service Medal, Noncommissioned Officers Professional Development Ribbon (Numeral 5), Armed Forces Service Medal, Military Outstanding Volunteer Service Medal, Army Service Ribbon, Overseas Service Ribbons (Numeral 3), NATO Medal, Drill Sergeant Identification Badge, Drivers Badge, German Schuetzenschnur Marksmanship Award (Silver), a recipient of the Honorable Order of Saint Barbara, the Noble Patron of Honor, the Martyrdom of Saint Maurice, the COL Robert L. Manning Achievement Medal, and the Order of Horatio Gates Bronze Medal. I was an enlisted man and my rank at the time of my discharge in the late Summer of 1989 was Sergeant E5. While it might be fun to haze the new margarine bar (he hasnt even worked his way up to butter bar yet), is that really the impression you want him taking with you when he gets commissioned and reports to his first unit? -If you are a cadet and you don't see the value of picking the brain of an NCO (CPL to SGM), then you will most likely be doing your time and moving on. Some points I wanted to make sure I hit are: -No, you don't have to call them sir/ma'am or salute them, but you absolutely should show them the respect you would like to receive. Luckily, my trusty CWO officer witness this kid who likes to give orders about something he knows nothing about and showing his outstanding example of a true and morale officer. It is a chain of command situation. Now, based on personal experience, I cannot say I was comfortable at all with the USMA grad who came into Iraq (2004-06). Even after more than twenty years in uniform, it still surprises me what I dont know about my own profession, and what I still have to learn from my NCOs. Throughout his career as both an Airman and Civilian, he has served in numerous assignments at locations: n Chief, Public Works Fort Eustis, VA He graduated with a Master of Music in composition from Bowling Green State University and a Bachelor of Music in composition from the Capital University Conservatory of Music. Knights lifted their helmet to recognize they friends from enemy. A the this leader our soldiers says to me that I did not ground the equipment right. For example, if a division headquarters and headquarters company commander is temporarily absent, the executive officer as the senior regularly assigned Army Soldier who performs duties within the headquarters company would assume command and not the division commander. Before joining the band, she served as an adjunct faculty member of the University of Maryland School of Music, where she also earned her Master of Music in trumpet performance. Now it was said in good humor. Technically. Treat the Cadets with respect. CSM Craven has a Bachelor of Science in Criminal Justice from Colorado Technical University and a Master of Science in Management from Excelsior College. So yes, a West Point cadet DOES outrank a sergeant. Mr. Erik D. Mitchell assumed the position of Deputy to the Garrison Commander, USAG West Point (IMCOM Directorate - Training), on December 20, 2020. She has always been passionate about how music and design can bring people together. Give credit where its due and stop making it about you. single time. Command Sergeant Major Glidewell entered the United States Army in July 1981, and completed Basic Training at Fort Jackson, SC. Paras 2-9 and 2-10, AR 600-20 further reinforce Scott Faiths important points here. One might argue that a cadet who is SMP, simultaneous membership program, would be regularly assigned. So when would a cadet actually be in charge? Combined Security Transition Command Afghanistan (Ministry of Defense Advisor), n Engineering Director Kabul, Afghanistan Photo by Tarnish Pride Mr. Mitchell is married to his wife Jill and has three children, Connor, Fisher and Sophia. but after I had earned my keep so to speak he spent a lot of time teaching and mentoring this Dot head and when I was commissioned he took time off from his civilian job to come to the commissioning ceremony to congratulate me. Am forwarding this to my son. Look at any Command where a COL thru Gen and you will see a whole lot of Soldiers both Officers and NCOs running and doing everything to make that command function! And yes the officer corps views your spouse as just a "wife.". Whoever came up with this interpretation needs to review deeper. They are legally considered E-5 equivalent, and aren't Branch qualified. In my experience we rarely see a decent new officer come out of West Point and it's really sad. The invested money for the cadet wasted. The key to success in your career is understanding the strengths and weaknesses of your key players AKA your subordinate leaders and junior Soldiers. Here's my advise that will serve you well; always remember this; ASSUMPTIONS ARE THE MOTHER OF ALL FUCK UPS! Thats what the reg says, but how does that work in practice? So there I was no shot, at my first unit on JBLM, WA as a 2LT and I thought that based on what I was taught that you salute all superior officers. Combined Forces Special Operations Component Command, n Deputy Division Chief, Enduring Sites Division Baghdad, Iraq Mark C. Quander Brigadier General , US Army 79th Commandant of Cadets Battalion Command Sergeant Major, 1BN, 1st Regiment, USCC at United States Military Academy at West Point United States Military Academy at West Point View profile View profile badges If you think a fellow West Point graduate is a great leader, see how she/he behaves after having a soldier vaporized by an RPG in front of him. It's often hard to find but its often the real truth on a subject especially if it's being spoon fed to you in briefs and media. Master Sergeant Loy Song has played in the Concert Band and Jazz Knights trumpet sections, was a founding member and lead singer of the Benny Havens Band, and is now a member of the Support Staff. It is the oldest of the five American service academies and . Share on Twitter; Share on Facebook; . WO1s even as appointed Officers are subject to all provisions of the UCMJ even art 33. Your attitude will get you relegated to a Quonset hut in BFE. Medical students are not in this hierarchy at all except they answer to doctors and do only what a doctor tells them to, under that doctors supervision. No salute. And you'll have to deal with the reality that there are better men out there and you may be in over your head but don't blame others for your shortcomings. AR 600-20 lists command structure. . I really wish I didn't have to speak this way about you kids but most of you did the West Point thing for power or prestige, both of which are useless to Infantrymen, we care less what college you went to, if you can't think on your feat when round crack by you then you get my men killed. From the enlisted perspective, while drilling with my Guard unit, there was confusion as to where exactly Cadets fit in to the scheme of things. That one NCO who doesn't give a crap about you is the one you should be talking to. This author wrote an excellent piece. The Army has launched an investigation after the unmasking of a semi-anonymous Twitter account the command sergeant major of U.S. Military Academy, West Point, allegedly used to criticize elected officials and former President Donald Trump, an Army official confirmed to the Daily Caller. We were enlisted in the Air Force for a two year enlistment. Forces Korea, the Department of Defense, or any agency of the U.S. government. . Secondly, just because of this outdated regulation (considering no cadets are assigned to any deployed units) requires no customs or courtesy obligation from enlisted soldiers or officers. It is not necessary to rescind the announcement designating an acting commander to assume duties of the commander during the temporary absence of the regularly assigned commander if the announcement gives the time element involved. I am acting PL of my platoon because we dont have a 2LT. Subscribe to our email newsletter to receive exclusive news, updates, and concert schedules for the band. Command Sergeant Major Fraser military and civilian education include: Basic Leader Course, Advanced Leaders Course, Senior Leaders Course, US Army Drill Sergeant Academy, First Sergeant Course, United States Army Sergeants Major Academy, Garrison Pre-Command Course, Battalion Pre-Command Course, Command Sergeant Major Development Program, Master Resilience Training, HR Plans and Operations Course, Sexual Harassment and Sexual Assault Course, Battle Staff Course, Postal Supervisor, Postal Operations Course, Modern Army Combative Level I and II, Total Army Instructor Course, Equal Opportunity Leader Course, and Combat Lifesaver Course. At that . The Army isnt some pay your dues ol boys club anymore. Word of advice, if you want to write an op-Ed then you should submit it for publication. (Contracted ROTC cadets are MS III and MS IV, overwhelmingly and predominantly.) Are we really saying an NCO could not do that? The reason you would place cadets above enlisted in the rank chart is because they will be officers. You have to look at national guard and the reserves. I found myself going toe to toe with these junior NCOs and enlisted, but not to destroy their souls (as the NCO in me wanted to do so badly) but to talk to them and help them understand that if you treat these cadets like crap, it will be returned 10 fold in a year when they commission, hate NCOs, and are their raters. You are absolutely wrong. Mids rank between W-1 and W-2 last time I had occasion to check. I spent 3 years as a MSG and never saluted a cadet. Comments will be moderated before posting to ensure logical, professional, and courteous application to article content. I see that USMA had a proud communist recently graduate, he might as well spit in my face and all other better warriors than myself before me. Without these people, "How do you become "ELite"! Unprofessional. Period. Appreciate your reply. Two of many subjects I taught E-6 and E-7 were Military Customs and Courtesy, and Uniform. Other than those few, I feel as though the future is bright. I have heard the saying "Stop being an arrogant officer?" For some reason a lot of angry major S3 types fall into this category. This should not turn into a them vs us type of debate. $64.88 + $7.25 shipping . I agree with you Sir. Mr. Mitchell is a licensed Professional Engineer and a Level III Certified Acquisitions Professional. They clearly outrank privates and are often assigned to leadership roles, but they aren't yet commissioned. Sergeant First Class Anthony has also served as a percussionist with the 9th Army Band in Fairbanks, Alaska, and the U.S. Army Signal Corps Band in Augusta, Georgia. I request you review 600-20again. The best way to train cadets to be officers that their soldiers will look up to and their NCOs will respect is to treat them the way you want them to act. Now, that is a perfect resolution. I never got gigged for not saluting another LT, so I didnt think much of it. This regulation shows that cadets rank after commissioned and warrant officers, but before NCOs. What is the TO&E and where is the cadet slotted? They've shown great patience, respected my process, and I am grateful for these SFCs, MSGs, and SGMs. IQ averages are around 120 for most Grunts and for those that don't track demographics, that's a huge jump from national averages. 354th Civil Engineering Squadron, n USAF Civil Engineering Officer Grand Forks AFB, ND He also volunteers with local community organizations such as Higher Ground Men's Group, Men of St. Joseph, and the Most Holy Trinity Catholic Choir. Requirements for a USAF Aviation Cadet at the time were two years of college and passing scores on a series of IQ and skills tests such as mathematics, logic, and spatial relations. Providing innovative solutions and discoveries through international collaborations with leading academic departments, research centers, and industry. Salute were means of communication. They dont commission until CW2 but I guess they dont really count as Officers either. After enlisting in the US Army in 1984 as a Field Artillery surveyor, Master Sergeant (Promotable) Jeffrey Morris found his way to the Cyber Branch via the Air Force Institute of Technology in Ohio, earning a PhD in Systems Engineering and a follow-on assignment as the Sergeant Major of the Army Cyber Institute at West Point. So yes, a West Point cadet DOES outrank a sergeant. Private Industry, n Chief Readiness Flight Eielson AFB, AK The U.S. Army, alerted that the command sergeant major of U.S. Military Academy, West Point reportedly violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) by tweeting criticism of former President Donald Trump and also targeted Republican Texas Sen. 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